On Feb 2, 2008 6:10 PM, trung nguyen wrote: FYI A nice conversation. k If there is no [two], then there is no [one]; [one is inconceiveable if there is no [two] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lalith Ranatunga Date: Feb 2, 2008 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [Triplegem] noble truth Hi Leo, The first Noble truth is Birth is suffering, ageing is suffering,death is suffering, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness and distress are suffering. Union with what is displeasing is suffering, separation from what is pleasing is suffering, not getting what one wants is suffering. In short, the five aggregates of grasping are suffering. Buddha did not use the term 'life'. Buddha also said that 'Whatever is felt is included in suffering' That has been stated by Buddha with reference to the impermanence of formations. Yes, there is pleasurable feeling but it is also included in suffering as it is impermanent. With metta, Lalith On Feb 2, 2008 3:17 PM, Leo wrote: Hi